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Vegeta (androids saga) vs Future android 18; who would win
Topic Started: Dec 5 2011, 11:35 AM (2,060 Views)
The Lonely Fighter
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the future androids are much weaker then the present ones so who would win
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I say that vegeta will win but after a extremly difficult battle
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Future #17 & 18 aren't necessarily any weaker than timeline #17 & 18. Future 17/18 never used full power in their timeline; even SSJ Future Gohan were nothing to them. SSJ Future Trunks (Androids Saga) would have been beaten by them.

So, I'm obviously gonna say Future 18 beats Vegeta like timeline 18 does, but with futuristic swag.
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Trunks said that androids from present are weaker than one in future,but as we can't know how much weaker,we can only speculate
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DarkCore
Dec 5 2011, 01:46 PM
Trunks said that androids from present are weaker than one in future,but as we can't know how much weaker,we can only speculate
yeah, i remember that.

in the manga special, #17 fights Gohan and states that he's so not a challenge, that he doesn't even use half power on him. And since Future Trunks only knows that the cyborgs are stronger than Gohan, he really only knows less than half of their power.

I guess I'd say that the only reason the timeline androids seem stronger is because they are fighting stronger opponents. Timeline SSJ Vegeta ends Future SSJ Vegeta, and Trunks Saga Future Trunks and Goku, easily enough where as Future Gohan was around Trunks Saga Goku (I say that generously).

I'm not really arguing it vivaciously though, just sayin...
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LOL even if u wont too belive the future androids are weaker than the present's(which is false for most of the pepole here) do u realize how much weaker they'll have to be so vegeta will stand a chance?
ssj vegeta 100
Imperfect cell(pre humans): 122(stated to be able to stomp goku who is a little weaker than vegeta)
Piccolo(weights): 150 he was smacking cell around in their 1st fight IMO
Piccolo(no weights: 25% increase)/#17: 187.5
#18(stated to be a nice amount behind 17): 165
So #18 was 65% stronger. that's a BIG gap, her future counterpart would have to be 60-65% of the present to be on par with vegeta LOL.
Vegeta gets stoomped doesnt really matter if future 18 is weaker than her counterpart or not ;p
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Don't double-post, Lonely Fighter.

As for the topic, I've been thinking the future cyborgs are weaker. There's no way to fit Future Gohan, the future cyborgs, and Present Goku/Vegeta/Trunks/Piccolo all in without assuming that Future #17 used like 10% of his power IMO. Sure, it technically fits into his "less than half" power statement, but usually that means ~40% in DB, otherwise why not say "I used less than a third of my power", which would make things seem even more dire?
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Dec 5 2011, 09:35 PM
Don't double-post, Lonely Fighter.

As for the topic, I've been thinking the future cyborgs are weaker. There's no way to fit Future Gohan, the future cyborgs, and Present Goku/Vegeta/Trunks/Piccolo all in without assuming that Future #17 used like 10% of his power IMO. Sure, it technically fits into his "less than half" power statement, but usually that means ~40% in DB, otherwise why not say "I used less than a third of my power", which would make things seem even more dire?
Very true. But I'll ask you this. Where do you have Present #17. I'll use these numbers purely for example

SSJ Vegeta : 325,000,000
Present #18 : 480,000,000
Present #17 : 500,000,000 - 520,000,000

Post Yardrat Goku : 180,000,000 - 200,000,000

SSJ Mirai Gohan : 180,000,000 - 200,000,000 (Yes, I have him around the same strength as PY Goku)

Mirai #17 (40%) : 200,000,000 - 208,000,000
Mirai #17 (Full Power) : 500,000,000 - 520,000,000

Not that it means anything, but I could see it fitting in
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Well,was some time that I watched trunks history movie,but didn't 17 and 18 have to team up to take Gohan down ? Please do correct me if I'm wrong
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Dec 5 2011, 10:51 PM
Well,was some time that I watched trunks history movie,but didn't 17 and 18 have to team up to take Gohan down ? Please do correct me if I'm wrong
That is correct. In the Anime special, Mirai Gohan was a force to be reckoned with.

In the Manga, he was weaksauce compared to the Android Saga Saiyans.
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Dec 5 2011, 10:00 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Dec 5 2011, 09:35 PM
Don't double-post, Lonely Fighter.

As for the topic, I've been thinking the future cyborgs are weaker. There's no way to fit Future Gohan, the future cyborgs, and Present Goku/Vegeta/Trunks/Piccolo all in without assuming that Future #17 used like 10% of his power IMO. Sure, it technically fits into his "less than half" power statement, but usually that means ~40% in DB, otherwise why not say "I used less than a third of my power", which would make things seem even more dire?
Very true. But I'll ask you this. Where do you have Present #17. I'll use these numbers purely for example

SSJ Vegeta : 325,000,000
Present #18 : 480,000,000
Present #17 : 500,000,000 - 520,000,000

Post Yardrat Goku : 180,000,000 - 200,000,000

SSJ Mirai Gohan : 180,000,000 - 200,000,000 (Yes, I have him around the same strength as PY Goku)

Mirai #17 (40%) : 200,000,000 - 208,000,000
Mirai #17 (Full Power) : 500,000,000 - 520,000,000

Not that it means anything, but I could see it fitting in
Future Gohan
~Base: 4,800,000
~SSjin: 240,000,000

Future Goku
~post-Yardrat, SSjin: 225,000,000
~pre-death, SSjin: 285,000,000

Goku
~post-Yardrat, Base: 4,500,000
~post-Yardrat, SSjin: 225,000,000
~post-3yrs, Base: 6,500,000
~post-3yrs, SSjin: 325,000,000

Future #17: 500,000,000
~40%: 200,000,000

That's how I'd have to do it to keep the future ones the same strength as the present ones, and I can't see Goku making less than a 2x gain in the 3 years. I have to have #19/20 above Trunks when he arrived, and Piccolo above that, and the Super Saiyans above that, and then #18/17. It just doesn't fit IMO.
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Dec 5 2011, 01:46 PM
Trunks said that androids from present are weaker than one in future,but as we can't know how much weaker,we can only speculate
Trunks said the adriods from the present was stronger -.-
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Well didn't docter Gero have those bug things that spied on the z fighters so they might have spied on them when Friezia arrived and continued to spy also don't forget the garlic jr saga that might have contrubte to the androids beeing so strong and the rest gero stated in anime he did some speculation with power levels as well so the andriod became stronger and 19 and 20 are weaker cause they are energy absobant androids which stated in the anime weaker than the perpetual androids so having all these leads make the future weaker I estamate mirai 18 pl 340,000,000 mirai 17 350,000,000 present 18 440,000,000 present 17 450,000,000 future gohan 173,000,000 future goku 113,000,000 vegeta present 330,000,000 future trunks 310,000,000 present goku 320,000,000
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Why are you necroing old topics, anyway 18 stomps
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What? You wannah peace of me?

We all just commented on it does that make you a necro too?

Anyway 18 beats him with the same ease as the other 18....
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